Hon'ble Congress President Shri Rahul Gandhi interacted with students at "Shiksha Disha Aur Dasha" programme at Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium, New Delhi

Hon'ble Congress President Shri Rahul Gandhi interacted with students at "Shiksha Disha Aur Dasha" programme at Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium, New Delhi





Highlights of CP Interaction                                                        23 February, 2019


Congress President Shri Rahul Gandhi interacted with students at "Shiksha Disha Aur Dasha" programme at Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium, New Delhi.

Shri Rahul Gandhi said- It is not going to be one way conversation, it is going to be two way. I will put in, what I think in the middle, but I am much more interested in trying to understand, what are the types of things that we should be focusing on? What are the types of things that are disturbing you, what are the types of things, where we can work together to make your life easier? There are a couple of central themes that I would like to discuss, one, of course is jobs and the job crisis in our country and two is the type of situation you faced with in your education system that would be the broad theme of what I would be talking, but, I am much more here to listen, so you can start. Final thing, of course, you will have questions for me. I am happy to answer them. If you want me to answer in English, ask me in English, if you want me to answer in Hindi, ask me in Hindi. Go ahead.

On a question from Bhavishya Mehta (doing MA Economics, Delhi School of Economics) about the 55% reduction of education and higher education budget by present government and how can it be given a new direction, Shri Gandhi said- In last five years, the Government has forgiven, Rs. 3,50,000 crores bank loans of 15-20 big businessmen. Let me give you a sense of what Rs. 3,50,000 crores is. Rs. 3,50,000 crores is approximately 10 years of MGNREGA. Now other question for you, Rs. 3,50,000 crore is forgiven for 15 people. Millions of students take bank loans. How many of your bank loans have been forgiven? Why are you quite? Have there been forgiven, (Students said, No), No! So we have massive bank loans of 15 of the richest people in the country been forgiven, but when farmers asked for loan waiver, the Government says, no way. Students, of course, you don’t ask, I don’t know why you don’t ask but you don’t ask. So, question is why everything is being done for 15-20 people. Look at your cell phones, 3-4 companies own the entire architecture. Look at the port infrastructure one company owns it. So, there is a concentration of wealth taking place in India and the privatization is basically designed to help those 15-20-30 people and the idea is very simple. The state should not pay for your education, you should pay for your education and the money you pay for your education, should go to those 15-20 people and we are fundamentally against that, we are absolutely 100% certain that the state must pay for large parts for your education. The state must support your education and much more money should be given into the education budget that is being given today. You can see a steep decline in the amount of money that is going into education today as compared to when we were in Government. It is a massive decline. You can also look at the numbers and you will see that when we were in power in UPA, we opened more than 20-24 universities. You know how many universities have been opened over the last five years? One! Ya! So that is the point we believed that Government has to support education, Government must support healthcare because without these two we are not moving forward and the BJP is convinced that you can use private industry to support education and privatization is the key to education, we don’t believe that. Then, when I say the Government should support, I mean, making bank loans easier, scholarships, adding numbers of universities in colleges, pushing school enrollment. So, all these numbers if you look across, you will see that every single one of these numbers has fallen in the BJP regime.

दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय के कैम्पस लॉ सेंटर के छात्र कपिल द्वारा पूछे गए एक प्रश्न पर कि पिछले 100 सालों से बहुत सी अच्छे विश्वविद्यालय हमारे भविष्य का निर्माण करने में लगे हैं, लेकिन पिछले दिनों सुनने में आया कि इस सरकार ने जो यूनिवर्सिटी अस्तित्व में ही नहीं है, उसको ही सर्वश्रेष्ठ यूनिवर्सिटी का टेग दे दिया है, आप इसको किस नजर से देखते हैं, श्री गांधी ने कहा आज अगर आप उन 15-20-30-40 बड़े उद्योगपतियों में से है, तो आपको जो टेग चाहिए, आपको मिल जाएगा। आपको आईआईटी का टेग चाहिए, आपको आईआईटी का टेग मिल जाएगा। आपको जो टेग चाहिए, आपको मिल जाएगा। तो जब आप आईआईटी को देखते हैं, आईआईटी का जो रेप्यूटेशन बना है, वो पूरी दुनिया में बना है, वो 2 साल में नहीं बना है और गलतफहमी नहीं होनी चाहिए। आईआईटी का जो टेग बना है वो सिर्फ आईआईटी के प्रोफेसर, आईआईटी के टीचर्स और आईआईटी के इस्ट्रक्टर्स से नहीं बना है, आईआईटी के विद्यार्थी ने आईआईटी के टेग को बनाया है। (तालियों की गड़गड़ाहट के बीच) सच्चाई ये है। बाहर से लोग आते हैं, जब भी आईआईटी की बात होती है तो मुझे कहते हैं कि हम आईआईटी के स्टूडेंट्स से इम्प्रेस होते हैं, किसी ने मुझे ये नहीं कहा कि मैं आईआईटी के इन्फ्रास्ट्रक्चर से इम्प्रेसड हूं या आईआईटी की बिल्डिंग से इम्प्रेस्ड हूं। सब कहते हैं कि जो आईआईटी के जो स्टूडेंटस निकल कर आते हैं, हम उनसे इम्प्रेस हैं और उस इंस्टीट्यूशन में तो अभी तक एक भी स्टूडेंट आया ही नहीं है। तो आईआईटी के बारे में अगर आप मुझसे पूछें तो IIT is a 1950s Institution, that is producing world class students today and it is doing an exceptional job, but, the IIT of today has to be a completely different structure. We have to think of transforming the IITs into knowledge centers; into knowledge networks and the way we do that is very simple, the only way to do that is by giving them autonomy, by telling them, you are responsible for what you are going to do. The Government is not going to impose ideas on you, the Government is not going to put pressure on you, the Government is going to give you the resources you need, It is for your students, your teachers, your Professors to decide what IIT should be doing, what IIT should be pushing. Now this is a completely different philosophy.

आज आप किसी भी इंस्टीट्यूशन में पूछ लीजिए, वाइस चांसलरस आईडियोलोजिकल लोग बैठाए जा रहे हैं। किसी से भी आप पूछ लीजिए, वाइस चांसलर्स एक संगठन के आईडियोलोजिकल लोग हैं, एक के बाद एक यूनिवर्सिटीज, कॉलेजेज में बैठाए जा रहे हैं। उनका जो ग्लोबल विजन होता है, जो स्टूडेंटस की फीलिंग्स होती है, उससे कुछ लेना-देना नहीं है, उनको सिर्फ अपनी आईडियोलोजी से लेना-देना है और वो चाहते हैं कि हिंदुस्तान का एजूकेशन सिस्टम उनका औजार बन जाए। And that is frankly insult to you, it is massive insult to you because the educational system of India should only be the instrument of the youngsters of India, it should be nothing else. It should not be the instrument             of one organization, it should not be the instrument of some ideology and it should be the instrument of you people. It belongs to you, so, our response is to give independence to these institutions, to give empowerment to these institutions and then our job is to make sure you have the funding you require, to make sure that working within a basic principle. Our job is not to define exactly what you are supposed to do, that is your job. That is the difference between the two approaches.       

दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय के नॉर्थ कैम्पस की छात्रा श्रुति गौतम के द्वारा पूछे गए एक प्रश्न पर कि पैरा मिलिट्री फोर्सेज के जो जवान देश के लिए अपनी जान दे देते हैं और उन्हें हम शहीद कहते हैं, लेकिन सरकारी तौर पर उन्हें शहीद का दर्जा नहीं मिलता, हम आपसे अपेक्षा रखते हैं कि उन्हें ये दर्जा प्राप्त हो, श्री गांधी ने कहा कि मैं आपसे बिल्कुल सहमत हूं। पैरामिलिट्री फोर्सेज के शहीदों को जो शहीद का दर्जा नहीं मिलता है, मिलना चाहिए और हमारी सरकार आएगी तो उन्हें शहीद का दर्जा जरुर मिलेगा। Actually अगर आप देखें तो मेरा पैरामिलिट्री से काफी कॉन्टेक्ट रहता है क्योंकि मेरी सिक्योरिटी वाले सब पैरामिलिट्री से आते हैं। तो अगर आप देखें तो जो हमारे पैरामिलिट्री के सोल्जर्स हैं, सीआरपीएफबीएसएफआईटीबीपीसीआईएसएफ इनकी कैजुअलिटी ज्यादा होती हैं, मगर इनको इन्फ्रास्ट्रक्चर सपोर्ट कम मिलता है और ये सही बात नहीं है। तो आपने ये बहुत सही चीज उठाई है, उनको शहीद का दर्जा मिलना चाहिए और ये मिलेगा।   

On a question from Piyush Choudhary (Delhi University) about the condition of the ad-hoc Lecturers because these guest teachers have to work in a very difficult condition, Shri Gandhi said- the simple thing is how much money do you put into education. When you are saying how do you think about guest lecturers? You can only solve that problem of guest lecturers make them permanent, if you are putting more money into the education system, so our view is that every single teacher in this country, every single Professor in this country should have a certain comfort in his life. He must not feel uncertainty, so, we would try and push to make sure that this ad-hoc Lecturer, ad-hoc teacher business is changed and you get a permanent position. To do that you have to put in more money, currently the amount of money, the BJP Government is putting into education, you simply can’t achieve that. So the first step is to transform the way we think about education in the budget and that is something that we are committed to. 

On a question from Mehak Haider (Jesus and Mary College) about the rise of the Right-wing politics and how does Congress Party plan to tackle this Right-wing rise, Shri Gandhi said- the Right-wing, why do you think, you are seeing a Right-wing rise? what is your sense, what is the reason behind that? (The girl said- I mean, even in India, we are seeing that, not this year, this year we saw Congress win elections in three major states but over the past three years, BJP has been winning a very lot of states. In US, we have the Trump Government and we also have Putin in Russia and in different countries, we see a rise in Right-wing politics, rise in the ideology of the Right-wing politics). Do you feel the level of anger in India is increasing or decreasing?  (The girl said- increasing definitely) Increasing! Everybody feels that the level of anger is rising in India? (Students say- Yes) Why do you think the level of anger is rising in India? (A boy among the students said- no jobs), that’s it, who said that, what did you say- (boy again said- no jobs). You see, if you look at all these countries, if you look at India, if you look at America, if you look at Europe, the central problem is that none of these countries are able to give adequate jobs to the youngsters and this is the problem in India. 

You are educated at the highest level, but I am sorry to tell you, you are entering a world, where it will not be easy for you to get a job. It is going to be difficult and that is why you are seeing anger which is rising and the Right-wing is utilizing that anger. The only solution to this and I keep repeating it, the only solution to this is that India starts to understand that it has a job  crisis and actually starts to work to resolve that job crisis. Simple thing I tell you for all the ‘Make in India’ and all that stuff, our main opponent is China; You look at your phones, look at your shoes, look at your jacket, look behind it, you will have ‘Made in China’ written on there, every time you see that line. Remember that the jobs could have either gone to India or could have gone to China and we are simply refusing and our Government is refusing to accept that we have a massive crisis and a potential disaster in front of us. It is our duty, your duty, my duty to first accept that we have a job crisis and then second to get India to work to actually resolve this crisis, which is very possible, I have no doubt in my mind not one inch, one centimeter that China can be challenged and over taken by this country. I do not believe that it cannot be challenged, I am absolutely convinced, if this country turns around and says भईया हमें ये काम करना है, जैसे गांधी जी कहते थे कि अगर सब लोगों ने मन बना लिया तो फिर इस देश को कोई हरा नहीं सकता है, कोई पीछे नहीं कर सकता, लेकिन हमारी जो सरकारें हैं, वो इसे स्वीकार ही नहीं करना चाहती हैं कि यहां जोब क्राइसिस है। So, first step is acceptance of our problem, second step is to galvanize everybody and say we have to fight this problem. So, that is where I have an issue with them. Has the Prime Minister ever come and had a conversation with you like this? Has it ever happened? Now I am coming here, right! You can ask me unpleasant questions, you can say to me! You can, because I fully understand there might be people here who might have questions for me that would be difficult for me to answer. I am coming here because I want to communicate with you. I want to understand what are the questions going to come. Our Prime Minister does not do that. I have said to him 50 times- Please come and debate with me. Debate with me on Rafale, debate with me on corruption, debate with me on jobs, debate with me on defence, anything you want, come! But the Prime Minister refuses, forget me, who am I? No body. Why does he not come in front of you here and says, students of India, come, let’s talk. Why does he not say that as Prime Minister of this country, I am facing the challenge, the challenge is that we are not able to produce jobs and I need your help, your commitment to work with me, to solve this problem. Why does he not say that, because that is really the work the Prime Minister is supposed to do. 

The Prime Minister is not supposed to lecture on what he thinks, the Prime Minister is supposed to inspire you and make you feel, yes, I can actually do this job, I am going to work with this man, we can again do it. That is what the Prime Minister is supposed to do. So, what is happening, he is making excuses, we are sitting there as a country and we are making excuses. There is no job crisis, there is no farm crisis, there is no education crisis, there is no health crisis and we are wasting time and what is important for you to understand, the future is not ours, the future is yours. This country is going to belong to you, not to us and so you have a responsibility towards this country, because you are the person who is going to actually move this country forward and you are very capable, inspiring people. We need to understand and utilize your passions, your skills, your understanding to move this country forward. I am sorry; I got a bit worked up, because I think about this thing. Do you know how many jobs India produces, Government figures? Do you know how many jobs India produces in every 24 hours? Look at this 450. Did you see this group of people here, 1.2 billion people, and this group here is how many jobs the whole country is producing, Finance Ministry figures not Rahul Gandhi in Parliament, Lok Sabha. Now in the same 24 hours, China, who, I am absolutely convinced, we can move ahead of, produces 50,000. We produce 450, they produce 50,000 and the Prime Minister does not seem to think, this is the problem. 

On a question from the Livingston Gangmay (Zakir Husain College) related to the massive need of more universities in the north-eastern states forcing the NE students to migrate to other parts of the country, will the Congress Government would set up more universities in north-east, Shri Gandhi said- you can tell all your friends in the north-east that I am absolutely committed, 100% committed to increasing the number of higher educational institutions in the north-east. 

On an informal question from the anchor about his memories of his Delhi campus days, Shri Gandhi said- I remember getting ragged in St. Stephen'snear the big tree there. So that was the memory there and I remember my Professor of history giving up some lectures in St. Stephen's College that was interesting. He had some particular ideas, different type of ideas that was when I was in Stephen's. When I went to United State; I got a cultural shock when I went to American Universities, I was in Howard University and I was shocked at how aggressively they asked questions and how the teacher or the Professor was almost 24x7 under attack and he had to be very careful what he said. Compared to our history Professor, who everybody in the class, basically, listened to, believed and didn’t really question. So I saw that big difference between the two. 

On another question that what are your views about the freedom of speech in academia, Shri Gandhi said- Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expressions, I am 100% for that. Sometimes student say things that are not absolutely correct, Fine, you are allowed to make mistakes, that’s why you are called youngsters, that’s why you are called students. I draw the line where you start behaving violently. So, if you are saying something, no matter how unpleasant, it is okay, but if you are threatening people, beating them up, bullying them and bashing them up then I draw the line. For me freedom of expression as long as its verbal, as long as it is expressed in a non-violent, in a gentle way, I am okay with it!         

On a question from Kunwar S. Singh (St. Stephen’s College) about if the education should be more students centric with the integration of civil, moral and ethical values in the current curricular system, Shri Gandhi said- Education should be empowering for students. It should allow them to think out of the box, it should make them comfortable of making mistakes, they should feel that you can make a mistake and can learn from the mistakes, it should be forgiving and it should be empowering. I don’t believe in a rigid structure, where every student is told, this is what you are going to think, this is what you are going to do. I think, you are actually the strength of our country and we need to make you feel empowered, make you feel as if you are a very capable effective person. We must not crush your spirit.

दिल्ली विश्वविद्यालय के उर्दू विभाग में पीएचडी कर रहे छात्र नजीब उर रहमान द्वारा पूछे गए एक अन्य प्रश्न पर कि जबसे मोदी सरकार आई है, देश में नफरत, खौफ, दहशत, डर का माहौल खत्म होने का नाम नहीं ले रहा है, देश की निगाहें अब आप पर टिकी हैं, तो इस मामले को आप कैसे हल करेंगे, श्री गांधी ने कहा कि हिंदुस्तान में मैसेज प्रधानमंत्री देता है, जो प्रधानमंत्री कहता है, बोलता है, जो उनकी फीलिंग होती है, वो ट्रांसमिट होती है पूरे सिस्टम में। तो जो ये नफरत के हालात हैं, नफरत का माहौल है, अगर प्रधानमंत्री साफ मैसेज दें कि हिंदुस्तान एक है, हिंदुस्तान में सब लोग एक हैं, हिंदुस्तान में प्यार और भाईचारा होना चाहिए, हिंदुस्तान अपने आप ठंडा हो जाएगा। ये नेचुरल चीज है इस देश की। इस देश का जो इतिहास है, अगर किसी ने इस देश का इतिहास पढ़ा हो तो ये भाईचारे, प्यार का देश है, ये नफरत का देश नहीं है। ये इस देश की नेचुरल क्वालिटी है कि हमारे लोग एक दूसरे से अच्छी तरह बर्ताव करना चाहते हैं, प्यार से रहना चाहते हैं। अगर लीडरशिप डायरेक्शन देगी, तो ऑटोमैटिक्ली वो माहौल अपने आप थोड़ा ठंडा होगा। दूसरी बात जो मैंने कही थी, लोगों में गुस्सा आ रहा है। कुछ दिन पहले जो हमारे सीआरपीएफ के जवान शहीद हुए, मैं उनके घर गया और शामली तक ढाई घंटे गाड़ी से गए और रास्ते में अनेक बेरोजगार युवा मिले, पूछा- भईया क्या करते हो, तो कहते हैं कि कुछ नही करते हैं। तो जब तक जोब क्राइसिस को ठीक नहीं किया जाएगा, तब तक नफरत नहीं जाने वाली। तो इसके दो ही सोल्यूशन है कि एक आप जोब क्राइसिस को ठीक करो, किसानों के दिल में जो डर है, उसको मिटाओ और फिर भाईचारे की बात करो और सबको एकसाथ ले जाने की बात करो। ऑटोमैटिक्ली हिंदुस्तान चालू हो जाएगा, माहौल ठीक हो जाएगा। 

On another question that he has seen much violence in his personal life also, so how do they shape your life, Shri Gandhi said- When I went to Shamli. I went to speak to the two families and when I was talking to one of the boys, I suddenly realized when I was talking to him that my father was also killed by a bomb. You know, I realized something when I was talking. I suddenly realized. Oh! I have been in this young man’s place. So I felt that I knew what it felt like to be where he was. I knew what it felt like to have your father blown to pieces. I have seen it and I have seen my grandmother also shot at with 32 bullets. So I am grown up with their! What I told him that look, those who have understood, those who have felt violence, will never think of violence as a solution. Naturally, आप मुझे कहें और मेरे फैमिली के दो मैंबर की हत्या हुई है तो अगर आप मुझे कहें कि हिंसा से ही आप ये चीज ठीक कर सकते हैं, तो मैं आपको तुरंत एक ही जवाब दूंगा कि ये हिंसा से ठीक नहीं हो सकती है। हिंसा को हिंसा कभी नहीं काट सकती है, हिंसा को सिर्फ प्यार काट सकता है और कुछ नहीं काट सकता है। आप मुझ पर हिंसा करेंगे, मैं आप पर करुंगा, चलता ही जाएगा। इस देश का आप इतिहास देखेंगे, गांधी जी, महात्मा बुद्धा, महावीर, अशोक, आपको दिखेगा कि इस देश का संदेश है कि हिंसा को आप सिर्फ प्यार से काट सकते हैं, प्यार का इस्तेमाल करो, प्यार हिंसा को एकदम मिटा देगा। आपने देखा होगा यही फिलॉसफी थी, जब नरेन्द्र मोदी जी एक के बाद एक संसद में मेरे परिवार के बारे में बोल रहे थे, मैं जाकर गले लग गया। मेरा कहना था कि बोलो जितना बोलना है, अब आपके दिल में गुस्सा है, नफरत है, मैं उसको क्यों पकडूं, मेरे दिल में तो नहीं है, मैं तो आकर आपके गले लग रहा हूं। आप अपनी जिंदगी में भी कोशिश कीजिए, आप देखिए, आप कोशिश कीजिए, जादू है ये। मैं बता रहा हूं आपसे कभी क्लॉस में या कभी कहीं नफरत करता है तो आप उसकी नफरत को स्वीकार मत करो, उससे गले लग जाओ, प्यार से बात करो फिर देखिए क्या होता है। आप विश्वास नहीं करेंगे इसका इम्पेक्ट कैसे जाता है। मैं आपको बताता हूं, मैं जब मोदी जी के गले लगा, असल में  उनकी बॉडी ने महसूस किया कि ये क्या हुआ, ये कैसे हुआ, मुझे प्यार कैसे किसी ने दिखा दिया क्योंकि सच्चाई है ये। ये समझने की बात है। मेरी नरेन्द्र मोदी जी से कोई नफरत नहीं है, सच्चाई है कि नरेन्द्र मोदी जी को फीलिंग है कि उनको जो शायद प्यार मिलना चाहिए था...मैं आपको बताता हूं, जब मेरी दादी की हत्या हुई, तो मेरे पापा बंगाल में थे, frankly मेरी जो दादी थी, वो मेरे लिए एक प्रकार से मेरे लिए मेरी मां से भी ज्यादा थीं, क्योंकि मेरी मां थोड़ी स्ट्रिक्ट थी, मतलब मेरी मां घर में अनुशासन स्थापित करती थीं और मैं मेरी दादी के पीछे जाकर छुप जाता था, तो एक प्रकार से मुझे प्रोटेक्शन मिल जाता था। तो जब मेरी दादी की हत्या हुई तो मैं बहुत डिस्टर्ब हुआ। मेरे पापा बंगाल में थे और मेरे अंदर काफी गुस्सा था जब मेरी दादी की हत्या हुई। क्योंकि आपको मालूम हो या ना हो, मगर मेरी दादी की हत्या उनके सिक्योरिटी वालों ने की थी, वो सिक्योरिटी वाले मुझे जानते थे, एक प्रकार से मेरे दोस्त थे। सतवंत सिंह ने, जिसने मेरी दादी को गोली मारी, उसने मुझे बैडमिंटन सिखाया था। तो मुझमें भी गुस्सा था, मगर जब मेरे पापा आए और मेरे पापा मुझसे गले लगे तो एकदम गुस्सा चला गया। तो मेरा कहना है कि आप अपनी जिंदगी में देखो, आपसे कोई कितना भी गुस्सा कर लें, कितनी भी गाली दे दें, आप एक बार कोशिश करें, जाकर गले लग जाईए, फिर देखो क्या होता है। 

श्री अरबिंदो कॉलेज के छात्र गौरव सोनी के द्वारा पूछे गए एक प्रश्न पर कि मैं राजनीतिक दलों के बारे में पूछना चाहता हूं, हमारे देश के अंदर जो भ्रष्टाचार है, वो बहुत बड़ा मुद्दा है, सभी पार्टियाँ एक दूसरे पर आरोप लगाती हैं कि भई, ये पार्टी भ्रष्ट है, वो पार्टी भ्रष्ट है और अपने आप को बिल्कुल साफ बताती हैं, तो जो इन पॉलिटिकल पार्टीज की फंडिग हैं, वो आरटीआई के अंदर क्यों नहीं आती है? और आज जो कॉलेज के अंदर जो सारे बच्चे हैं. वो सारे यूथ हैं और पहली बार वोट देंगे, ये क्या सोचकर वोट दें, अगर कोई पार्टी अपनी फंडिग छुपा रही है कि कहां से उनके पास पैसा आ रहा है अगर वे करोड़ों रुपए लगाकर इलेक्शन लड़ रहे हैं, अपने पैसे निकालेंगे और कमाई करेंगे और अगले इलेक्शन के लिए इकट्ठे करेंगे, हम कैसे मान लें कि वो हमारा भला करने के लिए आ रहे हैं, श्री गांधी ने कहा कि ट्रांसपेरेंसी शत-प्रतिशत बढ़नी चाहिए। मगर एक बात समझनी है कि जो राजनीतिक पार्टी है वो जनता का इन्स्टिटूशन हैं। Political party is an institution for all of you. Judiciary, press, politicians, bureaucrats these are all institutions. अगर आप राजनीतिक पार्टी की बात करते हैं, तो Why not RTI in Judiciary, why not RTI in Press, why not RTI in bureaucracy, for individual bureaucrats, so I am all for transparency. But the question is, it has to be applied across the board because if it is applied in political parties only then you will weaken the political parties in respect to other institutions. I am very happy, I am very happy to put RTI on political party without a problem. I will do it tomorrow morning if RTI is done on other institutions in country Judiciary, Press. I also want to put the RTI, if you want RTI on political party so I also put in top 20 businessmen in the country. I want to understand what they are doing. I am more than happy, I am more than happy, to put RTI on political parties as long as we are doing it for other institutions because if you fundamentally weaken political parties as compared to other institutions, you are weakening the people of India. Now, next point, there are multiple ways in which you can attack corruption. No. 1 Lok Pal Bill, There is a Lok Pal Bill with an independent man, who is allowed to investigate. That is being not allowed here under Mr. Narendra Modi. Now, let’s talk about RTI. Today, the RTI law itself has been demolished by the Government, State after State. Many states don’t have RTI, a man in charge of RTI. 

आरटीआई तो हम लाए, आरटीआई तो कांग्रेस पार्टी, डॉ. मनमोहन सिंह जी लाए। दूसरा अगर आप सच में भ्रष्टाचार की बात करना चाहते हैं, तो सबसे बड़ा भ्रष्टाचार किसमें होता है – सबसे बड़ा करप्शन हिंदुस्तान में जमीन में होता है, इस बात से आप सहमत हैं? जमीन में सबसे बड़ा करप्शन, उत्तर प्रदेश में जब मायावती जी की सरकार थी, 3,000 एकड़ जमीन किसान से लेकर फटाक, मतलब रेस ट्रेक बनाने के लिए दे दी। याद है आपको? उसकी अनलिमिटेड़ वेल्यू थी। हम जमीन अधिग्रहण बिल लाए, उसमें साफ लिखा था कि अगर आपको जमीन एक्वायर करनी है तो आपको किसान से पूछना पड़ेगा, अगर आप जमीन एक्वायर करना चाहते हैं तो आपको किसान को 4 गुना रेट देना पड़ेगा। नरेन्द्र मोदी जी ने पहला काम इसको कमजोर करने का क्यों कियापहला काम भूमि अधिग्रहण बिल को रद्द करना है क्यों? क्योंकि वो जमीन हिंदुस्तान की जमीन, हिंदुस्तान के आदिवासियों की जमीन, किसानों की जमीन इन्हीं 50 लोगों को देना चाहते हैं, सबसे हाई लेवल भ्रष्टाचार हुआ। मैंने इतनी पिटाई खाई है, मैं आपको बता रहा हूं, ये सब लग गए मेरे पीछे। जिस दिन मैंने भूमि अधिग्रहण बिल का काम शुरु किया, जिस दिन मैं भट्टा पारसौल गया, उस दिन से मेरी पिटाई शुरु हो गई, मैं बता रहा हूं आपको। धड़ाधड़, ये क्या कर रहा है, इसको रोको। तो आप between the lines भी देखिए। सबसे ज्यादा भ्रष्टाचार जमीन अधिग्रहण में है। राहुल गांधी भूमि अधिग्रहण बिल को रिफोर्म करने की कोशिश कर रहा है, उधर नरेन्द्र मोदी जी उसको कैंसिल करने की कोशिश कर रहे हैं, पिटाई राहुल गांधी की हो रही है। छोटा सा सवाल, आपको क्या लगता है जो भ्रष्टाचार के खिलाफ लड़ेगा, उसकी पिटाई होगी- हाँ या ना - होगी ना? (छात्रों ने कहा, हां) जो भ्रष्टाचार के खिलाफ नहीं लड़ेगा, उसकी पिटाई नहीं होगी ना? मीडिया देख लो, पिटाई किसकी हो रही है, मेरी या मोदी जी कीसीधी सी बात है, So whether it is land acquisition, whether it is RTI, whether it is MGNREGA, there are all (भीड़ में से कोई छात्र नोटबंदी शब्द चिल्लाया ), thank you, thank you, I would like to conclude on this. 

प्रधानमंत्री जी रात को 8 बजे आते हैं, कहते हैं भाईयों और बहनों, 500 रुपए का, 1000 रुपए का नोट मुझे अच्छा नहीं लगता, मुझे 2,000 रुपए का नोट अच्छा लगता है। मैं नोटबंदी करुंगा, सबसे पहले सबको लाइन में खड़ा कर दिया। छोटा सा सवाल आपसे, लाइन में अनिल अंबानी जी खड़े थे? मैंने तो नहीं देखा। लाइन में बड़े-बड़े बिजनेसमैन खड़े थे, लाइन में कालेधन वाले खड़े थे? (छात्रों ने कहा, नहीं) मैंने तो नहीं देखा। लाइन में आप लोग खड़े थे, हाँ। आप कालेधन वाले हो, आप चोर हैं? नहीं! तो ईमानदार लोग लाइन में क्यों खड़े थे, चोर छुपे क्यों थे? क्योंकि नरेन्द्र मोदी जी ने आपकी जेब में से पैसा निकाल कर उनकी जेब में डाला है। आप देख लेना, अच्छी तरह सुन लीजिए, हिंदुस्तान के इतिहास में सबसे बड़ा घोटाला, नोटबंदी है। एक दिन ये सच्चाई निकलेगी, गारंटी करके आपको कह रहा हूं, Notebandi was the biggest scam in India’s history. 

I want to leave you with one message; I want to leave you with one message. See, some of you might like me, some of you might not like me and some of you might be neutral to me. But, I want to leave you with one message. Whoever you are supporting has to have the guts to come here in front of you and I stand here in front of you and talk to you and listen to you. If he doesn’t have the guts to come here and stand before you and embrace to you and listen to you, you need to question.  Why he doesn’t have guts to come here? That’s a simple thing.

I want to finally tell you that you are our future. We are depending on you. You do not ever understand. You do not even understand how much we believe in you. You don’t ever understand that we are absolutely convinced that you are going to take this country forward. You are going to make this country number one country in the world. So you need to act with confidence, you need to act with self belief and most importantly when someone tries to divide India when someone tries to abuse somebody, when someone tries to beat somebody in front of you, defend him with your love and affection. 

Thank you very much, Have a nice day.


(Vineet Punia)


Communication Deptt.